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24 July 2013

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Marcus Mapen

I'd like to believe the rumour is 50% true (although I have no proof at all).
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It is 0% true (see my observation on Barbara Short's comment below) - KJ
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Thanks KJ, but I really wasn't that convinced, I was just taking it lightly and I didn't think Barbara was serious either?
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You got me Marcus! - KJ

Yvonne Hani

Rudd and O'Neill cook up a plan in an attempt to keep asylum seekers away at the price of PNG's tainted image, unfortunately with the consent of O'Neill due to some 'extra coins' in exchange if the plan works of course.

And if it doesn't work in the next twelve months then at least we've learnt that according to some narrow minded Australians (there are some real good Aussies) what a 'shithole' PNG is.

But if Rudd & O'Neill's plan does work, could some of the 'extra coins' go to improving our health and education sector to turn this 'shithole' around?

In my opinion, Phil's right,don't believe everything said in the media. In a way, it's kind of a shithole itself.

David Kitchnoge

Image is important!

If you are being made to look like a bunch of Neantherdals incapable of thinking and acting for yourself, then no one would take you seriously.

And there's every chance the bad guys will line up to exploit your perceived inability.

We know our issues and we will deal with them. And we don't need some bloody idiot from elsewhere who hasn't a clue about us to rub it in and take us for a ride.

Which developing country doesn't have its issues? And which developed country today didn't have its issues before emerging bigger and stronger?

It seems Peter O'Neill has fallen for Kevin Rudd's promises of bucket loads of money and sold us out. But why does Peter need more money?

Spend the money we already have effectively first before stooping low and begging for more. More money doesn't necessarily mean better outcomes for PNG.

Improve the quality of your spending first before asking for more.

Marcus Mapen

I'd like to believe the rumour is 50% true (although I have no proof at all).
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It is 0% true (see my observation on Barbara Short's comment below) - KJ

Mrs Barbara Short

There is a rumour going around PNG that Rudd spent time living in PNG as a child and that his parents were friends of O'Neill's father.

So this plan for dealing with refugees is something two buddies have cooked up together.

Anybody know if there is any truth in this?
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This is not true. It appears to be a conflation of the Ian Kemish experience (the former Australian High Comissioner having spent his boyhood in PNG) and the 'Baby Kevin' comedy - KJ

Marcus Mapen

I generally agree with the writer’s views on this.

If I can have better roads, airports, hospitals, colleges and an improved justice systems, I wouldn’t give a damn about image or what people thought of me (if I have done nothing wrong).

Forget image (just a state of the mind), O’Neill & PNG just ensure that Rudd (or whoever succeeds him) guarantees & delivers on his promises ASAP (regardless of the outcome of this refugee plan).

Note: I love my country so don’t think for a moment that I want it sold.

Zenitram Dee

Australia is no friend to PNG... I support the statement.

The agreement of the asylum seekers was made to fulfil Rudd's political interest which O'Neill is just a puppet of Rudd's political desire.

Phil Fitzpatrick

I understand completely the issue about illegal versus legal migration. No visa - no entry, can't be clearer than that. People should stand in line and wait their turn. People trying to jump the queue are disadvantaging others.

I'm a ten-pound Pom who came to Australia in 1956. Didn't have a passport or a visa. All my father had was a "Document of Identity" (No. 127332) issued in lieu of a passport on which all our names were listed. But he did apply through the right channels and he paid his ten quid.

A lot of Greeks, Italians and other Europeans simply arrived on ships immediately after the war and were processed when they got here. Very few Vietnamese arrived on visas, especially the one's who came by small boat.

The legal issue is a furphy.

Martyn and I enjoy the odd joust. He's making a good point in saying that both Rudd and O'Neill are acting like 'bigmen', making autocratic decisions without consulting the troops.

He's also right that the Australian government is no friend of PNG. People having been banging on about this for ages. I think its important to understand that the Australian government is not the Australian people and that quite a few of the latter are good friends of PNG.

At the same time many Australians see PNG solely in terms of a place to exploit.

The worst outcome of the whole thing has been the trashing of PNG's reputation. Rudd and O'Neill have both managed to negate overnight years and years of constantly building goodwill. They couldn't have been so dumb not to think this wouldn't happen.

People in PNG have every right to be outraged.

David Kitchnoge

Martyn does have his ears pinned on the ground and his writing reflects the anxiety and anger Papua New Guineans are feeling about this whole shit.

We are not Kevin 07's and Australia's soccer ball to be kicked around and used for your own selfish agendas.

You are right, as far as Kevin 07 is concerned, the worse PNG's image is depicted internationally, the higher the changes of him succeeding in this gimmick.

And it seems he has his spin doctors in overdrive mode doing just that.

But why? What have we done to deserve the very bad publicity, some of which make me want to get up and kill someone?

Martyn is right. Australia is not our friend. Which friend makes his friend a laughing stock?

David Wall

Phil, spot on, you get it, so many don't!

Craige Brown

317 arrivals since the announcement of the Manus policy Friday and more boats on the water now - one sank overnight 61 dead so far. Looks like your bluff has been called. What's the policy now?

I believe Mr Namorong has the ear of the grassroots when he writes he reflects their thinking and concerns. To dismiss his writing his writing is to turn a blind eye to peoples reality.

Colin Huggins

ABC Correspondent Liam Fox has travelled to Manus Island where detention facilities are set to be expanded. He says locals have welcomed the PNG-Australia deal because they believe it will facilitate more jobs and business opportunities for locals.

Thank God two commentators, Phil Fitzpatrick and Warren Dutton, on this Manus business have made some sense.

The hysteria especially from Martyn Namorong is alarming to say the least.

Jo Cooper

You said it all, Phil. And with a desperate election in September, the political and media scrabbling is getting more furious.

Bruce Grady

Writer does not understand impact of illegal immigration. People he refers to came here legally. Issue is about people smuggling. [From Twitter]

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