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31 May 2012

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Don't be so naive. What is PNG to China? With the rise of South China Sea tension do you think China will sacrifice their interest in Indonesia as the big brother of ASEAN for the sake of PNG or West Papua freedom?

Leonard - One idea canvassed here is devolving power to regional State governments for PNG - bringing together related groups under a common identity.

This combined with a national upper house of review may prevent some of the nonsense we have seen lately.

A Royal Commission for the reform of the constitution might be a starting point - plus a referendum on the recommendations.

My good friend and colleague Janos (from Bougainville) once said to me over a beer: "Sure we are all brothers and sisters in PNG. The trouble is that some are liklik, some bikpela, some nogut, some gutpela man. It is our problem to sort this out."

And friends - please don't resort to abusive terms such as 'rubbish'.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and degrading others does not do any good for your own argument. See the PNG Attitude commentators guidelines.

Brother, that is my thinking, anywhere.

Kranz-Brother, I like your comment, it is education oriented and trying to give insights.

But, from the way I see things, even for our country, we have to empower the ethnic groupings example, like creating districts based on this factor and then respect that by example activating a vangrancy act to control outsiders influx, in decision making.

Say, let Madang develop Madang or Simbu mind Simbu in a autonomy-type governing system. That is, allow not are Hagen suppress Papuans in Port Moresby with slums for that is one area of instability in PNG.

And, let us not go abroad to find examples because the problem is here; Hagens Vs Morobeans and so on. How do we address this?

Leonard - I sympathise strongly with your views about what has happened in West Papua. But ethhnic self-identification is not a reliable basis for national identity.

You talk broadly about 'Asians' and 'Melanesians', but then claim that people from Bougainville are not PNGians.

So how finely do we cut the cake in determining who deserves to have their own 'nation'? Is it language, dialect, cultural traditions, skin-colour?

In that case I reckon Simbu deserves to be its own country.

Nations are defined by political, geograhic and historical factors - not just ethnicity. Yes this is often flawed and artificial, and sometimes externally imposed by Colonisers; but is ethnicity any better?

Look at the former Yugoslavia.

There was no nation of PNG before colonisation, and no broad concept of Melanesian identity. To claim that this is a defining point but then insist on separate identities for each specific ethnic group smacks of racism and seems a recipe for disaster.

Gabuar - The lines you quote are rubbish because you and your place (wherever it is) has not seen relatives dying before your eyes struggling to defend their subjugated life as I did. That is that civil conflict in Bougainville.

My thinking was moulded in a trouble-torn Bougainville and its anti-PNG discourse. And you will never change me.

In ethnicity, yes there is difference. But, you your mention of Buka is myopic.

Stand a Buka islander and New Guinean together and compare them, there is a extreme contrast (race). Check the Buka and a Wakunai, they are one for they are Solomonese.

Bougainvilleans are different from New Guineans.

'After the dawn of decolonisation, West Papua found itself in Indonesia; Bougainville in Papua New Guinea; and New Caledonia struggling for self-determination from French rule'.

What a lot of rubbish Leonard!

Either by default or design, Bougainville has and still is an intergral part of PNG. This is in contrast to your continued assertion that PNG, somehow, had colonised Bougainville.

Every ethnic group in PNG are distinctively different in complexion and culture, and Bougainville is no exception.

I served time working in Panguna during the pre-crisis years and found from the majority of the Bukas then that even they see themselves different to the rest of the mainland Bougainvilleans, with the exception of the Teop-Tinputz people.

Colin - This is Melanesia. Our existence is based on relationships. Thus, despite the fact PNG has her problems, at least one has the right to express his sympathy to a brother next door.

You employ the line 'clean up your own problems' that contradicts my views. You touched on colonialism, of course, and let's get in neo-colonialism to clarify my standing.

PNG's problems were imposed by colonisation. During the granting of independence, the tether of Eurocentric tradition was still there. Problems up here are created by the clash of Melanesian and Western world views.

PNG just cannot walk free out of the bondage called capitalism and liberal democracy by designing our own political system.

Not that we don't need a system that is realistic to our Melanesian ways in a stick-and-carrot world controlled by the Western hegemons who claim the Pacific as theirs.

Freeing ourselves from Eurocentric octopus and its values would be our freedom.

Leonard - Clean up your own problems first in PNG, before any thoughts are to be directed towards Indonesia. Just remember, the Kingdom of Holland, did lay claims to all of this area - a rather large part of the Pacific Island chain, a long time ago.

Even before Captain Cook discovered Australia and laid claims. The French, Spanish, Portuguese and the Dutch were all over the place in those days.

Seems all changed after WW2, when the Indonesian people moved the Administration from the Dutch to themselves.
Things will move on eventually, for the well being of all concerned.

Just check history books, Abel Janszoon Tasman (Dutch: 1603–1659. He discovered Tasmania, New Zealand and obviously the now Indonesia. A fair time before James Cook or La Perouse ( French) got to this neck of the ocean!

Pretty smart seafarers way back in those days when you come to think about it.

I think along the line of acting in the international stage for the betterment of humanity and not for a self-preservative gain.

Anywhere, men are of all natures.

Roka, the PNG Government will never support the West Papuans in their bid for freedom.

Successive governments have shoved the issue under a rug and will continue to do so.

We do not have the capacity to stand up against the Indonesians.

However, we could use our bilateral relations with Australia, New Zealand and China together with the potential glorious economic forecast to come up with a long term strategy to help liberate West Papua.

An action of such nature depends on one question, if they want to be an independent nation how will PNG benefit from helping them?

If they want to become part of PNG that would be a good reason for helping them. We can form the Republic of Melanesia, in that way we have access to the Freeport mine and make the island become one big nation.

Something that should have happened ages ago.

Republic of Melanesia, not bad.

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